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Sevilla

Seville is a great city to visit, but thats well known enough I suppose. Quite cold at night at the moment, but 17C and sunny, and it feels even warmer down by the river late afternoon. At 45C in summer, I'm not sure I'd fancy living here.

It's a big football city, one of these places with a real football feel, two incestuous teams fighting it out, like Glasgow, Belgrade and Rosario. Speaking of which Jones...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/b...a-cristian-gonzalez-eduardo-lopez

Went to Sevilla Football Club's (still in English) Sanchez Pizjuan, a steep sided box in in red, scene of the France v W Germany semi in 1982. Sat morning is the only time (!) when they open their museum. I was taken inside into the stand to take photos too, my main motivation. The museum has a dvd message from their infamous megalomaniac president José Maria del Nido, an incredible Castro like polemic for nearly 10 mins. His modest autobiography is in the club shop, "Yes or yes".

Highlight at the stadium undoubtedly this tiled mural, looks even more amazing for real, and almost as good as Geoff Moss' club shop.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2409/1849663738_c9bd63c8ae.jpg?v=0

Went to a 2nd div game after, Sevilla reserves, Sevilla Atletico, the highest B side in the league. It was surreal, at Sevilla FCs training ground next to a motorway, to watch the equivilent of Norwich v Derby. They've put 3,000 red and white seats on two sides to comply with Div 2 regulations.

The home side,a mix of Spaniards, Argentinians and Brazilians, play lovely, elegant, technical football, but lack the finish that experience brings. The Basques of Eibar, even had some fans, but were crap, devoid of ideas and ambition. Very supportive, knowing home fans, encouraging their young charges, they even do 'palmas', the flamenco clapping, when they have a free kick. Beats the 'get it up there' at Cae Ras.

There is about 8 pitches behind it. The Spanish call their youth set ups the 'cantera', the quarry, like they are hewing all this raw young talent. Half time all those games had finished and scores of 14 to 18 yo young Spaniards, latins and West African kids came in Sevilla tracksuits. You really felt that this is a club going somewhere.

I enjoyed that far more than Betis against Athletic Bilbao last night. The home side were fucking awful, the muttering started after ten mins and the jeering after twenty. I suspected it would be poor fayre, Betis have long had a sucession of mediocre sides, full of show ponies and crap Brazilians...must be some dodgy agent bringing them all They had no midfield, no invention, no pace, no idea, deservedly losing 1 0. The stadium is huge, as befitting their overinflated opinion of themselves, like a green concrete spaceship.

These are the ultras. Some restaurant had put sponsered coloured cards on everyones seat, to be held up when the Betis hymn was played to show the Spanish flag, presumably a message to the Euskerri visitors from Bilbao.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nk--CKULQs

Two lads behind me in the gods where I sat spent the game toking on a string a enormous joints, which they must have lovingly prepared earlier. They had the right idea.

Pond Life

Thats a big shit stain on that pitch.

But a fucking cracking post, cheers. I love the  'palmas' idea.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

cool
CarlDouglas

I have a bit of a soft spot for Betis. I think it is because the commentator on Sky always talks about how Valencia are the posh club and Betis are the working man's team - "the team of the waiters and flamenco dancers" as he puts it. I really like the idea that there is a place where being a dancer is considered a working class occupation.

For the record, I am a fantastic dancer but I am not working class.
Lovettwatch

CarlDouglas wrote:
I have a bit of a soft spot for Betis. I think it is because the commentator on Sky always talks about how Valencia are the posh club and Betis are the working man's team - "the team of the waiters and flamenco dancers" as he puts it. I really like the idea that there is a place where being a dancer is considered a working class occupation.

For the record, I am a fantastic dancer but I am not working class.


At 30 Euros for the cheapest seats, the working class must have some money. Mind you, 18 quid for England's 5th tier anyone?

I've always thought of this middle class - working class divide in cities abroad a bit of a myth. You have Boca run for years by Argentina's Berlusconi and with a stadium megastore that put's Geoff's to shame. There do seem more Beticos, both in Seville and outside. You see far more pot bellied middle aged men in green tracksuits than in red.

It said it the paper yesterday Betis are now in crisis, so nothing new. Half hour into the game, one guy stands up and shouts 'Fuck this shit, two years ago we were in the Champions League'.
Lovettwatch

Oh, techical area clothing fetisist Carl Douglas will be interested to know that Betis' hapless coach wore gloves, first time I've ever seen that.

Jones the Steamed

Goodb reports LW, glad you're enjoying your visit.

Should imagine you'll be keeping an eye on this one tonight.....

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By the end of today, Argentina will have a new champion. San Lorenzo are out of the running due to the goal difference mathematics, so it’s a straight race between Boca Juniors and Tigre. Boca have won twenty-eight titles (amateur and professional), whilst Tigre have finished second, once - and that was a year ago. In the buildup, Boca have announced a familiar name will be returning in 2009 - Carlos Bianchi’s back.


The match will kick off at 8:30pm local time (10:30pm Greenwich Mean Time) on Tuesday night, and will be played at Racing Club’s stadium in Avellaneda, just south of the Capital Federal region which forms the City of Buenos Aires. The security arrangements were announced on Monday.

1,200 security staff will be deployed for the match, and an extra allocation of tickets have been released for this match over the number allowed for the previous two matches in the playoff series. Each side will have 9,000 populares (behind the goal) and 7,500 plateas (along the side of the pitch), the AFA clearly having decided that allowing the highest number of fans possible to see a title-deciding match, in a stadium which holds 55,000, would be silly.

The match comes just a day after Boca announced that ‘El Virrey‘ Carlos Bianchi, the most successful coach in the history of Argentine club football, will return to the club in the new year. Bianchi won’t be taking over first team affairs, but will co-ordinate all the club’s professional football teams, and act as a go-between for the directors and the squad, with a three-year contract.

Tigre will be missing their first-choice goalkeeper Daniel Islas, suspended after getting himself idiotically sent off in stoppage time against San Lorenzo, but enter the match with none of the pressure of expecation on their shoulders. Boca, meanwhile, are working out how to play without Juan Román Riquelme, also suspended for the match.

One alternative is to simply replace Riquelme with Leandro Gracián, but he’s not always impressed when called upon to act as sole enganche for Boca, so manager Carlos Ischia is also looking at the possibility of a flat four across midfield, with Cristian Chávez and Jesús Dátolo on the wings, and Sebastián Battaglia accompanied by Fabián Vargas in the middle. Facundo Roncaglia will replace Juan Forlín, who was subject to a horrible injury on Saturday against San Lorenzo.

Boca can afford any result equal to or better than a single-goal loss, whilst a win for Tigre - who beat Boca 3-2 during the Apertura - by two or more clear goals will see them take their first ever league title. Here we go…



Jones the Steamed

I'm off to bo bos now, 53 minutes gone and Boca are set to win the title if they can hold on.

Boca 0 - 0 Tigre

http://www.livescore.tv/default.dll?page=argentina



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bearing

I just love reading this stuff, it' otherworldly.
Jones the Steamed

Viva Boca Juniors

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In the end it was the most nail-biting of finishes, as Tigre tried and tried to break down Boca’s resistance, but the most incredible of titles wasn’t to be. Boca lost the match, 1-0, to a Leandro Lázzaro header midway through the second half - but with all three sides tied on three points in the three-team mini-league, they take the 2008 Torneo Apertura title on goal difference.


The first half was tense as Tigre, who knew they had to win by two clear goals in order to claim the title, were intimidated by the size of their task. Boca came towards them looking to dominate possession and push their opponents back, and by and large, the plan worked. Tigre’s substitute goalkeeper, Luis Ardente, was forced into a couple of saves, one in particular after twenty minutes when he got down well to a powerfully-struck shot from Luciano Figueroa.

Tigre, though, pressed well defensively and, looking for Martín Morel swiftly when they got the ball, they weren’t moving forward without some menace of their own. They largely played an aerial game, but Javier García, Boca’s own goalkeeper - also a stand-in, albeit one who’s had a bit of a run in the team of late - was doing as well as his opposite number in picking out the centres sent towards the head of Leandro Lázzaro.

At half time, all square on the night, Boca were the better side in the match, and on course for the title. But they hadn’t managed to find the goal that would kill off Tigre’s resolve, and went to the dressing room knowing that their opponents would surely throw more forward in the second half.

At half time Jesús Dátolo, injured, was replaced by Boca manager Carlos Ischia, and Alvaro González took his place. Boca should have had a more patient approach and a harder midfield to break down as a result of that, but Tigre began to play with more penetration even as Rodrigo Palacio, replacing Figueroa in the 55th minute, gave Boca more pace up front.

The goal arrived halfway through the second half, and when it came Tigre had earned it. Matías Giménez sent over a high cross from the left which Leandro Lázzaro rose to head in with Boca ‘keeper García standing flat-footed and looking an utter tool. Suddenly, although they were still on course to claim the title, Boca would lose their grip on the trophy if they conceded another.

Ischia could hardly have filled his defence with confidence under such circumstances, when he immediately replaced García with Josué Ayala, who thus made his first-team debut for Boca. With Morel disappearing for Tigre, they failed to take advantage of Boca’s most nervous period of the match. There were flurries - the match opened out, in the last fifteen minutes or so, into a thrilling end-to-end affair which saw Tigre goalkeeper Ardente make another decent save from a Gracián shot one moment, and start a counter which led into Boca’s area the next.

In the end, though, eventually Boca were triumphant. Even without Riquelme, and with goalkeeping uncertainty continuing actually during the match, Boca were able to do enough to claim another title - their 23rd of the professional era, and their 29th overall in Argentine league history. Another star on the badge for the 2009 shirt, and a hard-fought and well-earned trophy to end a fascinating Torneo Apertura and give their fans a very pleasant early Christmas present.

A sidenote, to end the most successful campaign in their history: Tigre beat the eventual winners twice in this Apertura, and finish as runners-up. And they still don’t qualify for the Copa Libertadores. Sort it out, AFA!

Boca Juniors 0 -  1 Tigre (Primera División A Torneo Apertura 2008, title playoff):





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Lovettwatch

What a bizarre ending. Various goals here.
http://www.youtube.com/user/futbolizadosarg

I've come to Seville at the right time, before the barbarian invasion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7797899.stm
Lovettwatch

The green half (or two thirds) of Seville will be happy now. I enjoyed watching Seville's 'derbi' on telly on saturday. Hapless underdogs Betis were the better side and deservedly won 2-1, sending the 500 or so Beticos penned in the upper tier wild. I had to turn the volume down on Terry Gibson's incessant verbal puke though. Aupa Beti.

As Sid Lowe's piece here illustrates, Betis' coach had the identical gear on as in the photo above.

Sevilla fans who chanted "Chaparro's a car-park attendant", thanks to a costume that was part maitre d', part hotel doorman and part snooker referee, and a furious final whistle "sleeve cutter" from the Betis boss.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/b...cardo-oliveira-real-betis-la-liga

This is the gloved one's gesture to the Sevilla fans, what we'd call a fisting I suppose.



There are expecting 4,000 of the heathens to arrive this week, and have 500 police on duty.
lebowski

CarlDouglas wrote:
I have a bit of a soft spot for Betis. I think it is because the commentator on Sky always talks about how Valencia are the posh club and Betis are the working man's team - "the team of the waiters and flamenco dancers" as he puts it. I really like the idea that there is a place where being a dancer is considered a working class occupation.

For the record, I am a fantastic dancer but I am not working class.


Me too. I have also visited Batis' ground and it is in a nice location surrounded by palm treesand some lovely fountains on the approaches, to be fair they have had a decent side for a few years recently.

As you say Lovett, Seville is a fantastic city and well worth a visit, probably the most typically Spanish city I have visited, a walk across one of the bridges to the many bars of the Triana district is worth it.
lebowski

Betis hammered 6-1 at Real Madrid last weekend but more surprisingly Espanyol went to the Nou Camp and won 2-1, thats not supposed to happen.
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